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Quinn

I have read a few interesting discussions on the minimum wage today, at Stumbling and Mumbling, Tim Worstall and Blimpish.

The problem I often have when discussing various economic theories is the assumption of ceterus parabus that is made; that all other things remain equal; but in the real world all other things don't remain equal, and everything impacts on everything else. I soon get lost wondering what effect an individual economic decision will actually have in practice.

AJE

Good point - in fact that is precisely the reason why "unintended consequences" are such an important issue to discuss. Political rulers, in conjunction with economists, construct these almighty models to trace through the effects of policy.

It is the distinctly Austrian view that blows open the problems of applying "ceterus parabus" to the real world: the world is far more complex than policy assumes. We don't know the effects of policy, and that should be a reason to refrain.

The policy maker is like Homer Simpson when he goes back in time: chaos theory applies to the economy as well.

Matthew Whitfield

I see that you've conceded the point that unemployment hasn't risen during the period of the minimum wage being introduced, despite many predictions of it's cataclysmic effect. However, drawing evidence of price rises/inflation from one document about hairdressers fails to take account of the record low levels of inflation the UK has enjoyed over the past 7 or so years. I completely see your arguments about wage regulation having the potential to effect both these things (unemployment and inflation), but doesn't the fact that neither have actually been affected much tell you that the current level of the minimum wage has been pitched low enough to avoid these negative consequenses? I mean, it's really, really low. Even at £5.05 an hour somebody working in a full time job would earn £1000 less a year than I do as a research student on a pretty miserly bursary. All I have to do is read and write about things that interest me, not pack chickens in a industrial estate somewhere.

AJE

Careful though: unemployment hasn't increased but hours worked have fallen, and overtime has fallen. (According to the Stumbling and Mumbling). Both are a "negative employment effect", since less hours are being worked, albeit the mixture is such that the macro statistics look better.

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